CSETI – Is It Opening The Doors To Hostile Extraterrestrial Intelligence?

CSETI was founded by Dr. Steven Greer in 1990 and stands for Center for the study of extraterrestrial intelligence.

Dr. Greer has been at the forefront in the promotion of contact with extraterrestrials of a non hostile nature and his work has been both lauded and criticized during the past three decades.

But he has survived through a period of the pursuit of extraterrestrial contact which has spawned amazing progress.

Progress during an era where we’ve gone from cringing at the mention of ufos and aliens, to the government virtually admitting they don’t know what some of the craft flying in our skies are. And who they’re piloted by.

Dr. Greer’s work through CSETI has certainly played an important role in this progress and the fight for ufo disclosure.

But there appears to be a divide between mainstream ufo believers and the CSETI or CE-5 crowd.

When I first started covering the ufo and alien topic three years ago, I assumed everyone was on the same side.

That was a mistake that I soon learned the hard way.

Terry Tibando has been a coordinator for CSETI since 1993. He has continually lead successful teams on field expeditions out of Vancouver in the past twenty eight years.

More to the point, he and his teams have been successful in establishing contact and communication with extraterrestrials visiting our plant.

Tibando has been a long time experiencer. In fact, since childhood. He says when he came across the CSETI information line in the early 1990s, it was a message that resonated with him.

So, is there a divide in the ufo community concerning the work being done through CSETI and CE-5 groups?

CSETI – The Disconnect Between The CE-5 And The Mainstream UFO Crowd

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As a ufo believer, I’d love nothing more than seeing the mainstream ufo crowd and the CE-5 and consciousness crowd come together.

Imagine that type of strength in numbers.

Tibando didn’t shy away from the question, “is what you’re doing just inviting in demon related beings”.

Boy, you’ve opened up a big can of worms”.

“Okay. I’m going to say this, and I apologize to anyone that’s listening to this upfront”.

“For the most part, Europe and North America in South America is predominantly Christian. And when you talk about demons, you’re talking about Christian terms. It’s not to say that other religions don’t use similar terms. Jins and demons and whatever else”.

“But it conjures up an image”.

“And Dr. Greer says, we’ve got to be very careful with what we say because words are powerful encapsulations of thought. And if your thought is somewhat negative, you’re going to express it negatively”.

“We’ve got to choose our words carefully. We either want to offend and produce fear in somebody, or we want to reassure them, ‘hey, wait a minute. We know very little about them. They probably know a lot more about us”.”

“Therefore, when we make contact, they’re the lead dancer in the dance. If a craft lands it’s in physical form, we don’t go rushing over there and start climbing on top of it”.

“So what we do is wait. If it lands, we wait. If they power down their propulsion and step up and approach us, we have our hands open to show that we have nothing in our hands and they approach us”.

“And if we communicate with them, we ask very open ended questions. Is there anything you would like to ask us?”

Open Ended Communication With Extraterrestrials Is The Key

Dr. Steven Greer, Dr. Carol Rosin. Terry Tinando (host), Dr. Alfred Webre
Disclosure Witness Guest Speakers Dr. Steven Greer, Dr. Carol Rosin. Terry Tinando (host), Dr. Alfred Webre

Tibando in giving Aliens Revealed Live an insight to the way he and his team communicate with E.T. beings, says, “it’s very open ended”.

“We don’t say, ‘where are you from and what’s the secret of your propulsion system?’ That would get you into trouble with the military because that’s what they’re after”.

“That’s the distinction. The military is after possessions of material goods and brinkmanship so that they’re more powerful than the next nation”.


“But we’re saying, ‘no, we don’t want that. We want to be diplomats and ambassadors. We want to establish a relationship that’s friendly, mutual and peaceful”.

“And so when you approach in that mindset, you’re going to get results. If you go out and your heart and mind is filled with love, peace and friendship, they respond to that”.

“It’s like you put out the mental antennas and they’re picking up on that”.

“But if somebody in the group is fear based and we’ve had some people like that and I’ve asked them to either go home for the night or to not participate”.

“So that’s the whole point. When you approach it in that manner, you start to get results”.

“For instance, what we’re finding now is they don’t necessarily show up in physical form, but in inter dimensional form”.

“That gives them the ability to do things around us, touch us and they have these fragrances”.

“But because of their technology they have the advantage”.

“So therefore, that says a lot of things, that regardless of what the military may think they can do, E.T.s are always one step ahead because you’ve got a whole Galactic Federation of them”.

CSETI, CE-5 And The Mainstream..Shouldn’t Were All Be One Big Happy Family?

Vancouver CSETI Team
Vancouver CSETI Team

That’s a question I’ve asked guests a lot at Aliens Revealed Live and there doesn’t seem to be a definitive answer.

Tibando says we should and I wholeheartedly agree.

“We should and I noticed this from day one when I got involved in CSETI when I started to look at and listen to other people in the ufo community”.


“There appears to be a lot of big egos out there, and it’s all about maturity. And the mature thing to do is to share information and get a handle on it”.

“And the problem is that part of it is ego, part of it is that people who invest full time in this have to make money”.

“They see that this is a hobby but they want to write a book or two or produce a movie”.

“But they have another job or they have to sacrifice their job to pursue this phenomenon”.

“And it’s a juggling act. So the thing is, when you get people who take opposing sides in the good E.T. versus the bad E.T. argument, it’s us versus them, which is a human trait”.

E.T.s don’t respond that way. They have learned to work towards developing a global society”.

“And in order to do that, you have to have a sense of unity. And in order to get that unity and peace, a number of other factors have to fall into place”.

“Justice, equality, elimination of prejudices and the ability to work together”.

“Humans for the most part have difficulty working together. So we’re at a disadvantage ‘right off the bat’.”

A Lifetime Of E.T. Interaction

Terry Tibando has had a lifetime of E.T. interaction. It started in 1953 as a five year old child when E.T.s showed up in his bedroom.

And when he stumbled across Dr. Steven Greer’s message in 1993, it resonated with him.

He knew which direction he needed to go in in pursuit of establishing contact and communication with E.T.s.

I sat down with Terry Tibando and we had a lengthy discussion. From the divide between the CE-5 community and the mainstream; to the work CSETI does; to his contact experiencer journey citizen’s disclosure.

The following interview is that discussion.

Tibiando has written six books including an amazing reference point for anyone with even a slight interest in ufos through the Citizen’s Disclosure series.

That’s another interview in waiting and we’ll present it to you in due course.

The Extraterrestrial Download That Led Mike To Universal Consciousness

Extraterrestrial Download

An extraterrestrial download can be interpreted as several things but for popular CE-5 instructor Mike Murburg, it introduced him to the fascinating world of universal consciousness.

Murburg spoke about his experience during the Aliens Revealed Live Online Summit.

It proved to be one of the most popular presentations during that event.

CE-5 is now well established around the world with prime movers Kosta Makreus and Hollis Polk creating an “army” of thousands upon thousands of CE-5 enthusiasts around the world.

Makreus and Polk run the ETLetsTalk.com community incorporating The People’s Disclosure Movement and it’s become somewhat of a modern phenomenon.

Murburg has taken many of his early cues from Makreus as he navigated the special world of universal consciousness.

He now runs his own human initiated experience community in Florida.

So what is CE-5 or human initiated contact?

CE-5 is close encounters of the fifth kind. It’s a human initiated contact experience. Um, it’s known as H.I.C.E today.

“There are those of us who have stopped using terms like ufo and have started using terms like unidentified aerial phenomenon instead. We feel there are more friendly terms instead of aliens”.

So we use extraterrestrials and non-human intelligence or non-human intelligent beings, because language is important”.

“Language can, you know, cut very sharply in places where it has to be very carefully used or not used at all”.

An Extraterrestrial Download – The Moment It Happened

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Murburg says his goal was to take a lot of the mystery out of human initiated contact with ETs.

Once he came to grips with his own extraterrestrial download several years ago, teaching people how achievable a heightened spiritual state was became much easier for him.

“The contact experience is a non linguistically and spiritually based contact experience where we meditate and get into a heightened spiritual state”.

“This doesn’t take hard work. It’s actually very easy to achieve”.

“If everybody knew how easy this was, we could remove so much of the mystery from it which is what I tried to do”.

“I kind of tried to democratize CE-5 and the human initiated contact experience”.

The Day ET Came Calling

Murburg has a long history of contact experience. His lifelong contact experiences have been documented in the powerful first volume of Beyond UFOs: The Science of Consciousness & Contact With Non Human Intelligence.

His experiences started when he was a child. They have continued on throughout his life.

“Things started for me very early in my childhood”.


“I maintained contact for quite a long time. And in 1979, I had a major contact experience with fifty other people up in the Berkshires. Back then, there wasn’t an internet and you didn’t talk about those kinds of things”.

“In 2015 – October 3rd, 2015 to be exact, I had been translating and digesting some works by a Dallas master and a very large orb appeared outside my high-rise in Tampa, Florida”.

“I had a download experience and I was lucky enough to get to ask it to stop so I could take some photographs of it”.

“I basically said, ‘look, nobody’s going to believe this unless I can get photographs of this’.”

“And it told me, ‘okay’. I asked it to do some things and it did. And that got me ‘flying’.

“I had no desire to make contact”.

“But because I was in what I would call a heightened spiritual state after hours of working on these works, contact happened”.

“Just like it did for Steven Greer whom I didn’t even know of at the time”.

“Greer’s first experience was also after having meditated. It was a very similar experience”.

What is An Extraterrestrial Download

An extraterrestrial download can be interpreted any way you like. When an ET downloads information to you the experience is life-transforming.

It certainly was for Murburg and has been for dozens of other CE-5 experiencers I’ve interviewed just in the past twelve months.

One of the most amazing descriptions of an E.T. download I’ve heard was by Rey Hernandez in his presentation during the Aliens Revealed Live Online Summit.


You can hear it by clicking here and then scrolling down to the interview. It’s about the seven minute mark.

So what is an extraterrestrial download? And what did Murburg receive that was so transformational in his life?

“So many people talk about it, and I hadn’t had it before October 3rd. The download is an almost a trance-like state, but you’re very, very conscious when it’s going on”.

“You receive a large amount of information”.

“Essentially what what happened was in a very shortened version of it, was the information that I got completely obliterated my whole concept of a world of duality”.

“And I experienced what is known as universal consciousness”.

“That universal consciousness has been an ever present part of my life to one degree or another since 2015”.

“So that kind of universal consciousness, the consciousness that you get by studying Dao… by studying some of the other masters as well Master Nee”.

“And you can get it, it’s very, very simple”.

One Race Of Entity Or Many?

Murburg says it’s impossible to tell how many difference race of beings there are out these.

He reiterates in a strong fashion that this is not about proving that these being exist.

“The important thing to remember is that this is a spiritual exercise”.

“It brings you in contact with a multiplicity of non-human intelligences and beings and they manifest in many numbers of forms”.

“So, you know, getting a photograph of one is great and all,  but you have to accept as a proposition that this is real”.

“You have to accept that this is a real phenomenon involving real beings of the spiritual nature that are super highly intelligent”.

An extraterrestrial download may not be something we all receive although even that is up for debate.

But in Mike Murburg’s instance, it certainly changed his view of the world.

The following interview is the full presentation from the Aliens Revealed Online Summit.

Murburg talks about human initiated contact, his own experiences, whether what they’re inviting in is benevolent or malevolent and how you can become part of the CE-5 phenomenon.

How You Can Reach Out And Make Contact With Aliens

Make Contact With Aliens

So, how do you make contact with aliens? More to the point, how do you make contact with peaceful and loving aliens?

CE-5 has become a recent phenomenon that is sweeping the world.

Dr. Steven Greer pioneered the CE-5 protocols more than a decade ago. Since then, it’s been adopted by people all over the world.

Kosta Makreus and Hollis Polk currently oversee the biggest CE-5 family on the planet through their Let’s Talk community.

Their mission is to foster proper and safe CE-5 protocols. They are extremely proactive in their mission to teach people how to make contact with advanced and benevolent star beings who visit our planet.

And to say they have been successful is an understatement. With more than twenty thousand groups from more than one hundred countries now part of the ET Let’s Talk community, contact with ET has never been more prevalent.

How To Make Contact With Aliens Of The Benevolent Kind

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The truth is, CE-5 devotees don’t even like to use the word aliens. They prefer ET or star beings.

Here’s the three-step method in line with CE-5 protocols taught at ET Let’s Talk:

1. Be positive and quiet your mind. This is essential to contact success. This can be achieved through meditative practice.

2. Join a group and work with others. Makreus says working with like-minded people will only enhance your experience.

3. Tap into the universal energy that is freely available to all of us. By plugging into this and working together with others in a group, connecting with compassionate and benevolent ETs suddenly becomes a reality.

That is a basic crash course on using the CE-5 protocols to make contact with ETs. It does take some practice and that’s why becoming part of a group for regular sessions is encouraged.

Do You Have An Open Mind?

So, can anybody make contact with aliens? Makreus says there is a misconception that just experiencers have the ability to connect with ETs.

That’s not the case. All you need is an open mind.

“It’s suited to anybody who has that open mind?”

“There are people who I encounter every day who had experiences that were foisted on them that were passive. That’s where they saw a ufo or had a closer experience than just seeing. They are known as contact experiencers”.

“So that happened to them. And maybe they revisit this years later and find a community like ours and say, ‘oh, you mean I can repeat that but I can consciously go after it instead of passively having it happen to me’.”

“So there’s that group of people who were contacted when they were younger. And then rediscovered that they can now step up and do this anytime they want”.

“And then there are people who maybe never had any experiences, but they’re open minded. They’ve heard their friends talk about it”.

“They’ve seen the movies and they’ve been interested in science fiction. Suddenly they hear about our community and say, ‘you mean that they’re here and I can contact them? Well, how do I do that?’”

“So they’re ready for their first experience. And again, if they’re open minded and put the skepticism aside, they’re going to make some kind of contact”.


“One thing I know is that our star friends from these many civilizations have very creative ways to contact people”.

“And it’s not just the lights in the sky, which for me, are still awesome”.

“After all these years, I love to see the ships power up and react to our thoughts. But there are other ways”.

Make Contact With Aliens And Bring On Disclosure One Person At A Time

Makreus and Polk started the ET Let’s Talk community following their own personal experiencers.

The recent UAP report to Congress excited a lot of people but in actual fact, to experiencers, it was really a “fizzer”.

Makreus says his guided People’s Disclosure Movement is bringing on disclosure one person at a time.

In a recent newsletter Makreus says:

My friends, I urge us all to cease expecting the truth – Disclosure – from governments or other authorities about this topic. Let’s get off of our knees, unclasp our pleading, trembling hopeful hands and stop expecting a Disclosure announcement from a President, a Prime Minister, a Premier, whatever. Look in the Mirror! YOU are the Disclosure you/we have been waiting for!”  

In an interview with Aliens Revealed Live, Kosta Makreus and Hollis Polk talked about the CE-5 experience, how to become part of it, their own contact experiences, the gods fallacy and the people’s disclosure movement.

Human Initiated ET Contact Is Now Sweeping The World

Human initiated ET contact may have drawn some weird and quirky looks a decade ago.

After all, despite the growing interest in ufos, the thought that we could initiate contact with ETs at our request seemed the stuff of science fiction.

Some would say the “stuff of tin foil hat thinking” but the truth is, human initiated ET contact is real and it’s here to stay.


More commonly known as the CE-5 movement (close encounter of the fifth kind and above), people are flocking to H.I.C. groups all over the world.

Dr. Steven Greer is regarded as the poster child for the movement but other people have stepped up to promote the cause.

For instance, Kosta Makreus and Hollis Polk from ET Let’s Talk have helped create more than 20,000 CE-5 teams worldwide.

We’re talking tens of thousands of members from over 100 countries who are participating in human initiated contact with ETs.

Cielia Hatch got interested in the CE-5 movement about nine years ago after watching a Steven Greer produced documentary.

She now works closely with the ET Let’s Talk community and runs her own group based in Calgary, Canada.

In fact, Hatch has become so enamored with the whole human initiated ET contact experience she produced a guide on how to make contact with extraterrestrial life.

It’s simply called A CE-5 Handbook.

And for those wondering whether it’s easy to go out and see a ufo using CE-5 protocols Hatch says “I would say maybe simple, but not easy”.

Human Initiated ET Contact Starts With You Being Ready

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For seasoned H.I.C. experiencers, summoning ET is easy.

But if you’re still “wet behind the ears” and starting out, Hatch says it’s not so easy and there are several factors to consider.

Hatch says there are three key ingredients for contact. She lists them as:

  • a one mind consciousness connection
  • having a sincere heart
  • having a clear intent

“There are so many different factors determining whether or not you’ll have a multiple witness ufo sighting”.

“Generally, if you’re ready, they’re ready. You’ll have a sighting but there’s a whole bunch of other things to consider”.

“I do think the probabilities are increased if you go out into the wilderness where it’s nice and remote”.

“Definitely there is a huge factor in relation to your own frequency and where you’re at in your own CE-5 journey”.

“So I think the most key ingredient I would say would be your ability to raise your consciousness”.

“To expand it into the consciousness field of humanity and all that is”.

“And bringing your frequency up to a level where we can meet and communicate with highly evolved beings”.

“So they bring their frequency down to meet with us and we bring our frequency up”.

“And if you’re able to increase your frequency, then your probability is much higher for making contact”.

Communicating With ETs With A Sincere Heart And Clear Intent

The one mind consciousness connection relies on getting on the same frequency with ET.

But how does a sincere heart and clear intent help you to communicate with an extraterrestrial being?

“So, what are the measurements that they make and how is it that they see us?”


“You hear about different ways that ETs and different beings in different realms view us”.

“I’ve heard that beings from non-physical realms actually see us as light and like masses of light”.

“So maybe we emit a certain sound, light frequency or color. Maybe it’s something that they can monitor our progress like being on a scale”.

Is Human Initiated ET Contact Safe?

One of the pushbacks I hear on the merits of human initiated contact with ETs is the chance of summoning something other than a loving being.

Hatch says it could be threatening but only if you’re afraid of it.

“I think it could be threatening if you are afraid of it”.

“You could get caught up in your own sort of complex world. Questions might come up like what are you doing and are you interacting with benevolent beings?”

“But as far as whether anybody has been negatively affected by human initiated contact, I haven’t heard of any”.

In the following interview with Hatch, she talks about whether it’s easy to discern what’s real and what’s not. She also talks about the chances of seeing a real live ET and one member in her group who spent three weeks on an ET craft.


Communicating With Aliens And The Benefits That Go With It

By now, you’re aware communicating with aliens is going on all over the world by ordinary people living ordinary lives.

It’s a phenomenon which has exploded during the past decade.

Actually, it’s not anything new. The simple fact is, more people are coming out to talk about their communication with aliens than ever before.


Better and safer reporting procedures means that people once gripped with the fear of being ridiculed, are now being eased into talking about their contact experiences.

Now, instead of the odd case of alien abduction or contact, there are thousands of people from all walks of life coming forward to report what happened to them.

You could say it’s becoming normalized. Once we get to this stage, do we still say the whole world is making this stuff up? Not likely.

Communicating With Aliens – The Benefits That Come With It

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Fay Vale is an almost lifelong contact experiencer. Her first encounter happened more than fifty years ago. Read about her early encounters by clicking here.

But it wasn’t until a 2007 encounter that she began to experience the benefits of her ET contact.

We reported on Vale’s remarkable story back in February 2020. Her ability to draw with her non preferred hand has captivated many in the art world.

But consider this, until 2007, Vale had no interest in drawing or even picking up a pencil or brush.

Communicating with aliens for her has come with parting gifts. She has been given the gift of drawing and draws her inspiration from her ET visitors.

The urge to pick up a pencil and draw started a couple of weeks after her 2007 ufo encounter.

Vale was driving home with a friend following a paranormal meeting she attended. During the trip, they encountered a bright white light on a narrow winding road through the Lincolnshire countryside at about midnight.

They reported what they thought was an owl dart past their windscreen. According to Vale’s friend, owls were unusual for that area.

The bright light appeared to be heading straight for them at rapid speed. Vale’s friend slammed on the brakes and the car came to a standstill.

As soon as they stopped, the light stopped and darted backwards just as quickly and disappeared.

Both women were startled and amazed at what they had just experienced. Vale reports there was no missing time so abduction was ruled out.

But she would soon experience the “benefits” of that strange encounter two weeks later.   

An Instant Artist Thanks To ET

Vale developed a sudden urge to draw. She couldn’t pinpoint where it was coming from but she had an inner knowing that she had to draw.

She felt as if she was being guided to draw and amazingly, it didn’t seem to be her choice when it came to the subject matter she chose.

“Two weeks after the encounter on the road with the white light and the owl, I started drawing”.

“The funny thing was, I was drawing left handed and I’m a right handed person”.

“It started out as a two year old type scribble. I couldn’t leave it alone and I was getting up at three in the morning and just drawing”.

“I was compelled to draw and I couldn’t stop doing it”.

“Sometimes it would make me late for work because I’d get up and I’m thinking ‘I’ve got to finish it’ and I’d have to take it to work and finish it”.

“One day from the scribbles, it turned out to be a fish and I thought ‘oh, something I recognize’.”

“Well, after that I started getting guidance to do military drawings”.


“If I had been a man I’d probably have been more interested in it”.

“I started drawing tanks, warships, landing sites, airplanes – all things to do with war”.

“I was even guided to draw some grave sites where soldiers were buried. These I looked up on the computer afterwards and they were in the correct places”.

Communicating With Aliens On An Artistic Level

Vale’s progress was well planned out by the ETs. While we described her artistic talent appearing almost instantly, she was cleverly prompted to begin with simple scribbles.

But it was what she was being manipulated to draw that is fascinating.

“Well, it was all stuff I’d never even dreamed of drawing”.

“They were showing me war stuff so from ships they went to aeroplanes and then to landing sites”.

And from there, I started drawing rockets and rockets on launch pads ready to go”.

“I’m thinking, ‘why am I doing this’?”

“From rockets, I started drawing UFOs and then I’d get maps of places the ufos went and ufo landing sites”.

“I even got something telling me how to build an airflow system”.

Again, Vale had never drawn before. She began drawing with her non preferred left hand and all at the age of 61. That’s what makes this story all the more remarkable.

In the following excerpt from our interview, Vale talks about her ufo journey all the way until she had her life changing moment in 2007.